Global warming talk

Our local ACS section meeting tonight featured two speakers with opposite views on anthropogenic global warming (AGW).  One was a senior scientist from CIRES and the other was a retired physics prof from UCONN. 

The physicist did what physics profs like to do which is to say, reduce the problem to constituent elements. To make a long story short, the physicist tried to demonstrate that CO2 levels are the result of warming, not the cause.  He applied Henry’s law and did a lot of handwaving and criticism of climate science and modeling as well as some old fashioned back of the envelope calculations. It was a rather good demonstration of the climate deniers art.

The CIRES guy’s talk was really quite comprehensive and tied in observations from a wide variety of types of experiments to support the notion that CO2 has rapidly ramped up coincident with the industrial revolution- say the last 200 years or so. What was most persuasive to me were the isotopic data showing the deficit of C13 in the recent CO2 buildup. This data suggests that the accumulated atmospheric CO2 levels are measurably tipped towards biomass or fossil fuel origin rather than of inorganic origin.

As near as I can tell, much of the audience of chemists seemed to incline towards the climate denier. A vocal few were certainly skeptical of the data in the sense that the limits of the instrumentation had to be accounted for. But this was the normal skepticism one sees chemists display everywhere. I’ve done it myself.

Obviously, I’m not a climate scientist and would never be confused with one. I’ve been on the fence about AGW until tonight. I think I’m tipping slightly towards AGW now based on the isotopic findings. 

What I saw tonight was more like the parable of the three blind men and the elephant. The AGW denying physicist and more than a few in the audience understood at least part of the data and concepts. And from the area of expertise they held, felt they had a unique perspective on the problem. I gathered this from the nature of the questions asked.  

This is emblematic of the situation and in a similar vein to creationist “science”.  Creationism has all kinds of problems as a model of reality.  But what I often observe in its adherents is a limited knowledge of the theory they are trying to defeat.  In fact, I would offer that creationists comprise a kind of scholarly archtype. Creationists have the answer already and spend their time collecting data in support of it. This is characteristic of people who read devotionally rather than analytically.

I think learned people can fall into a kind of intellectual cul-de-sac from which many never escape. A lot of AGW deniers spend their time trying to debunk the IPCC data rather than performing experiments to achieve greater clarity.  AGW deniers are certainly well represented with conservative affiliation.

I was accosted by a coworker the other day who was so disgusted by my liberal ways and neutral attitude towards AGW that he couldn’t be bothered to expend the energy to fully dress me down for it. It just wasn’t worth the effort, apparently. Thanks friend. Where are all of these liberals the conservatives keep bitching about? I’m not seeing them.

7 thoughts on “Global warming talk

  1. wild west mi bill

    Hi Gauss!

    The ability to quantify isotope ratios is one of the wonders of modern analytical chemistry. This site on Floyd Landis has some great links on IRMS (Isotope ratio MS)

    http://landiscase.wikispaces.com/GC+IRMS

    It seems the evidence favors AGW from my perspective, but I don’t worry too much because once we run out of oil (remember Peak Oil?) then a major source of CO2 disappears. Of course coal could take its place, but I’m skeptical we’ll go backwards towards coal.

    The Japanese experience with Nuclear Power didn’t help us any there, so it’ll be interesting for the next few years. I keep wondering when a tornado is going to point at one of our key power sources (pick your preferred power supplier here…)

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    1. gaussling Post author

      Thanks for the link. I’ll explore it.

      The science of global warming is interesting, but so is the political stuff that surrounds it. Folks get tremendously fired up about it. Last night during the question & answer session the physicist speaker shouted down the CIRES guy and told him to shut up. Told him that he’d been talking too much. He was very angry.

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  2. myskysstillblue

    With all of the squabbling between the two sides, the energy or progress expended from both sides seem to cancel each other out. WHAT IF… we just wait to see what happens?

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    1. gaussling Post author

      I suspect that economic systems will collapse due to population pressures and the scarcity of key resources before the climate plays a big role. The whole world has its sights set on American-style consumption with its reliance on fluid hydrocarbon feedstocks and growth through planned obsolescence. Human ambition and fecundity will eventually overwhelm the system.

      Key features that makes the earth well suited for civilization are the abundant reservoirs of natural oxidizers and reductants. A redox rich planet enables civilization and life itself. The presence of atmospheric oxygen also enables the free use of hydrocarbon reductants to do useful work- move dirt, propel vehicles, generate alternating electrical current for broad distribution, energize electronic circuits and rotating machinery, etc.

      The earth is a very unique oasis for dozens or more light years in all directions. Even though we may not be alone in the universe, we are still irrevocably isolated.

      As a child of the cold war, it is very ironic to me that what will probably do us in won’t be nuclear annhilation or some super virus. It will be blind adherence to economic and religious doctines leading to inevitable conflict over resources.

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